I remember seeing an analogy which went something like “if god is the sun then the guru is the moon which reflects the suns light” of course this is an analogy, but I was wondering, would this be a suited analogy to explain the guru, or is there a better a explanation as for the guru in sikhi?
Analogies are relevant to whoever is understanding the concept in question and whoever happens to be teaching them. A child might be told that the Guru is the teacher while God the principal. If it works, it works.
I see, so the analogy is more or less dependent on who is asking. So now I ask how would you explain the relationship between the guru and god? If I recall correctly the guru is described as a reflection of god in bhai nand lals writings(it may have been another writer), but how would you explain the relationship?
Thank you for your advice. We will aim to do so in the near future though there is no 100% guarantee that we will be able to. The current issue, as of now, is that the English simplifications do not properly explain the Gurmukhi though websites like SearchGurbani do have the Romanized version for correct pronunciation.
“Gur Nanak Puran Avtar...Agaya Pai Akaal Ki Tabhi Chalayo Panth Sabb Sikhon Ko hukam hai Guru Maneyo Granth.
Dohra: Aad Guru te Dasam Loh Granth Panth Ki Tek. Gehe Puran Thiya Granth Yeh Daya Sarb Har Ek”.
'Guru Nanak is the full manifestation of the lord... only with the latter's blessings did the panth manifest. All Sikhs are commanded to obey the edicts of the holy Granth. This Granth consists of the Adi Guru Granth, the tenth (Dasam) and all-metal (Sarbloh) Granth. These shall consist as entities of veneration for the path and shall herewith be viewed as a singular entity.'
-Giani Gian Singh Nirmala, 'Naveen Panth Prakash,' Vol.1, pg. 1840.
How disingenuous that you resort to falsifying evidence to "evince" (and we use the term lightly) whatever ambivalence you believe in. A random copy-paste from the internet doesn't cut it when the published hard copies (Sampradaic included) never have those lines, "Guru Nanak Puran Avatar..." Nor any mention of a Granth trio. What a dubious attempt indeed.
Gian Singh plagiarized off Prahlad Rai, a contemporary of the tenth Guru, whose pristine Dohraa also makes no mention of your DG/SG nor Guru Nanak being whatever avatar status your cult ascribes to him.
The quote in question is a wilful mistranslation spread online in the mid-2010's. But yes, as you highlight, he condemns us for pushing some Sant Mat agenda but uses a Nirmala's words as reference.
I remember seeing an analogy which went something like “if god is the sun then the guru is the moon which reflects the suns light” of course this is an analogy, but I was wondering, would this be a suited analogy to explain the guru, or is there a better a explanation as for the guru in sikhi?
Analogies are relevant to whoever is understanding the concept in question and whoever happens to be teaching them. A child might be told that the Guru is the teacher while God the principal. If it works, it works.
I see, so the analogy is more or less dependent on who is asking. So now I ask how would you explain the relationship between the guru and god? If I recall correctly the guru is described as a reflection of god in bhai nand lals writings(it may have been another writer), but how would you explain the relationship?
If the world is a reflection of its Maker's virtues, then the Guru is the reflection of the Maker living those virtues within Creation itself.
great guys can you translate the or gurmukhi to romanized english so i can pronouce it would be of great help
thanks
Thank you for your advice. We will aim to do so in the near future though there is no 100% guarantee that we will be able to. The current issue, as of now, is that the English simplifications do not properly explain the Gurmukhi though websites like SearchGurbani do have the Romanized version for correct pronunciation.
“Gur Nanak Puran Avtar...Agaya Pai Akaal Ki Tabhi Chalayo Panth Sabb Sikhon Ko hukam hai Guru Maneyo Granth.
Dohra: Aad Guru te Dasam Loh Granth Panth Ki Tek. Gehe Puran Thiya Granth Yeh Daya Sarb Har Ek”.
'Guru Nanak is the full manifestation of the lord... only with the latter's blessings did the panth manifest. All Sikhs are commanded to obey the edicts of the holy Granth. This Granth consists of the Adi Guru Granth, the tenth (Dasam) and all-metal (Sarbloh) Granth. These shall consist as entities of veneration for the path and shall herewith be viewed as a singular entity.'
-Giani Gian Singh Nirmala, 'Naveen Panth Prakash,' Vol.1, pg. 1840.
How disingenuous that you resort to falsifying evidence to "evince" (and we use the term lightly) whatever ambivalence you believe in. A random copy-paste from the internet doesn't cut it when the published hard copies (Sampradaic included) never have those lines, "Guru Nanak Puran Avatar..." Nor any mention of a Granth trio. What a dubious attempt indeed.
Gian Singh plagiarized off Prahlad Rai, a contemporary of the tenth Guru, whose pristine Dohraa also makes no mention of your DG/SG nor Guru Nanak being whatever avatar status your cult ascribes to him.
The quote in question is a wilful mistranslation spread online in the mid-2010's. But yes, as you highlight, he condemns us for pushing some Sant Mat agenda but uses a Nirmala's words as reference.
A bains & a bhappa. :shrug: Reject Dasam Bani & ur a Patit, end of.
Not surprised that you would resort to the "Bains, Bhappa" quandary. What happened, did you read the Khalsa Dharam Shastar?
Intriguingly enough, the kitten is yet to pass comment on the veracity of his dubious reference to Gian Singh.